Erica: Hey, girl. By now, you know I have HER Collective, my online community for ambitious women who are done doing it alone. HER Collective is for the women who are smart, capable, and driven, but they find themselves stuck on the sticky floors like self doubt, burnout, and waiting for permission that quite honestly never comes. Inside HER, you get more than motivation. You get real support, real strategies, and real momentum.

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Erica: Because honestly, girl, you were never meant to do this alone.

Robin: I just didn't know who Robin was without my corporate career. I had wrapped my entire identity around this career. Like, I had given my life for it. I worked a crazy amount of hours. I dragged my husband all over the country to different jobs, like, all of the things.

Robin: Right? And so you get to that point where you're like, I can't not do this.

Erica: Y'all, today I have, like, my twin from South Carolina, Robin Kirby, CEO and founder of her own consulting business. She is an ex corporate junkie and an author.

Erica: And in her most recently published book, The Sparkle, Robin gets candid about her sticky floor story, workaholism. And y'all, when I tell you it resonated with me, it resonated with me. So, Robin, super pumped to have you here. Thank you.

Robin: Thank you, Erica. I'm happy to be here. Thanks so much.

Erica: Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, your book is amazing. And for anyone listening, I literally read it in, like, four days. So it's an easy read. But let's dive in.

Erica: Tell me a little bit about you, your corporate climb, and then how did we get here to where we are today?

Robin: Yeah. Well, I've had a very blessed career. I'll say that. I was just fortunate to be in a lot of amazing companies and work with some amazing people. And I was always in HR for the most part, different parts of HR, and then kind of worked my way through.

Robin: And my most recent role was as the chief human resources officer. And it's funny because when I talk about it in the book, I'm actually an introvert. And so choosing HR as a field might not have been the most obvious choice. And I think in hindsight, while it was amazing, I do think there's probably other career paths that probably would have fit me better in hindsight had I thought about it. But,

Erica: you know, I think what I

Robin: found is that I just feel like I have this motor that drives me all the time. And so when I was in my corporate career and progressing through and really trying to think through, like, what's my next career move, every two years I felt like I had to be doing something different, more, better, bigger title. And for me, and I know it from an HR perspective, we always coach people against this, but what I was chasing was money, title, and scope. And I know that about myself now, and so I was desperately just climbing this corporate ladder. And I just did not have a framework for how to not work a 110%.

Robin: Like, I just felt like I was constantly trying to prove myself. I think in hindsight, I was probably trying to overcompensate for this introversion because it was so emotionally taxing for me to be just extroverted all day long in a career. And so I was constantly trying to fight through that. And I just kept traveling like crazy. I took roles that had me traveling all over the world constantly.

Robin: And one job I was commuting every week from South Carolina to Texas, and I was only home on Saturdays, and it was just insanity. Like, I had no life. I was constantly just working sixty, seventy, eighty hours a week, weekends, stressed out, all the things. Right? And so I didn't have a way to stop that.

Robin: I didn't even know how could I stop being so crazy and insane, and how could I say no to travel or no to that next job or whatever it was. And so back in 2019, I had been flying and working like crazy and I came home and I noticed that my leg had turned purple and I was a little short of breath, and so I took what any good workaholic does. I kept working throughout the day. I was like, you know what? I know something's not right, but I gotta go. I got meetings.

Robin: I gotta finish these out. So I spent the whole day doing that, and then I was just talking to a friend about it. She said, Robin, like, you really need to go to the ER. Like, that doesn't sound right. So I said, okay.

Robin: Fine. I went. And hours later, they had done all the tests and said, hey. Listen. Like, you've got really severe pulmonary embolisms in both of your lungs.

Robin: You've got a big DVT blood clot in your leg. One is very near your heart, which can be quite obviously fatal. And so they immobilized me. They put me in the ICU for two days, did a whole bunch of procedures, and gratefully, the amazing doctors did a fantastic job, and I'm fine now. But you would have thought that kind of life scare would have made me sit down and think about what am I doing.

Robin: Like, this is insane. They told me. Listen, Robin. Like, you really shouldn't be flying. It's because I have a blood clotting disorder and genetic mutations that trigger them.

Robin: I know that now. And they said you need to try and stay low stress. I was like, okay. Like, how's that going to work? I have a job where I'm commuting every week and flying, and then I am super high stress.

Robin: So I did what the old Robin always did. I figured out my next move, and so I took another job in a different company. And it was great, but it just came all to a crashing halt one day. I had gone and had a mammogram, and they said, hey. Like, something looks a little funny on this.

Robin: We wanna have you come back in and rescan. We need to do some calibrations on this machine. And okay. Fine. So the old Robin could have handled that just fine. I'm always good about just handling stress and punching through walls. But that just completely broke me.

Robin: I just crumbled into the floor in a corner, was in tears. Like, I think I had a panic attack, and my poor husband was like, what in the world is wrong with me? Like, he'd never seen this version of Robin. And I just started thinking about my life and what I was doing and just really came to a point where I said this is enough. Like, this is not what I think God has for me in this life. I need to be doing something different. And so I decided to stop and I just got off the corporate path. It was the first time in my life.

Robin: I didn't have a plan for what I was going to do next. You know, the type A in me always had the plan, and I have just given myself a lot of space and grace to just figure out what I wanna be when I grow up now. And so I'm in this season. So I'll pause there, but that's kind of some of my backstory.

Erica: I mean, and what a story too. I've got so many thoughts because there's so much to unpack here. And my first one is, like, hearing your story about going to the next thing and the next thing and chasing success and money and title and scope, I think that is so common in so many of us. All of us high achievers who are listening to this podcast, like, that is what we do. We land the job, and without even settling into those first ninety days, we're like, great.

Erica: What's my new career path? Great. Where am I going next?

Robin: Mhmm.

Erica: And I talk a lot to people about, number one, stopping and celebrating your successes, which is something that I'm

Robin: trying to

Erica: get better at too.

Robin: Mhmm. Mhmm.

Erica: But that is such a common theme that I am seeing in these high achieving women that I work with too, in just always chasing the next best thing. So you're always on that hamster wheel. And like you described it, that motor never stops running.

Robin: I reflected on that in hindsight now. I think there were two things that drove that for me. One was the expectations I thought other people had of me, right, and so I thought my spouse or my family or whoever it is in your life, I thought they wanted me to continue progressing, and I just had these expectations that I was putting on myself. And so I think doing a reality check around your expectation system and what you're getting or who you're getting your expectations from, I think, really can be helpful. It was for me as I kinda realized, wow. Like, I don't have to do these.

Robin: Like, I'm putting this pressure on myself in large degrees, so that was helpful.

Erica: That's very powerful, I think. Because when we grow up, right, we're always in this, like, if you take it all the way back to school, it is this, like, I'm expected to get good grades. I'm expected to get into a good school. I'm expected to get a job. And you just get on this expectation train.

Erica: And do we really stop to ask ourselves, is this my expectation, or am I just doing this for other people?

Robin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I call it the checklist living, and it's so toxic. You know, you get out of college.

Robin: You get a great job. Check. You get a husband or a wife or a partner. Check. You get a great house.

Robin: Check. You know, it's just constant checking, checking, checking. And at some point, either you don't get to the list and it doesn't get done, or you get through the list and you're like, okay. Well, what's next? Like, this doesn't feel right.

Robin: Like, I don't like the view of this spot that I'm in. So it can be pretty compelling, I think.

Erica: Yeah. And you get to this place, right, where you've done that checklist, and then you're kinda like, Mhmm, that low. I don't wanna call it the low in life, but you hit a point where it does slow down a little bit because you're not graduating, getting married, getting the house. Check.

Erica: Check. Check. Right? And it kinda slows down just enough, I think, for people to stop and question, but maybe not enough to really dig into that and to dig into, like, what are these expectations that I'm setting? What do I really wanna be doing?

Erica: What makes me happy? And I know that I've seen a lot of people that ignore that for so long that then they get so far down and they're like, I never wanted to do this. Why am I doing this? And they're like, can I change my course? And, like, number one, yes, everybody.

Erica: You can change your course at any time. It's just helpful if you take a minute to breathe and look at that. So what's wild to me is your 2019 scare and how you're just like, nope. Gonna keep going.

Erica: Why do you think that that wasn't enough?

Robin: Mhmm. You think it was fear? Like, I just didn't know who Robin was without my corporate career. I had wrapped my entire identity around this career. Like, I had given my life for it.

Robin: I worked a crazy amount of hours. I dragged my husband all over the country to different jobs, like, all the things. Right? And so you get to that point, like, I can't not do this. Like, who am I without this?

Robin: And I think, especially if you're kind of a high achiever, it's so easy to do this. It's so easy to get wrapped up around your job and your organization and not having a corporate logo behind you. And what does that mean? And it's just scary. And so I think I just wasn't willing to face into that fear, and so I just did what was comfortable.

Robin: Even though it was probably the harder choice, it felt like the easier one, which is to go find another job like the one I had. And I did that, and I was fine. But I think it was fear more than anything.

Erica: Yeah. And it was a little Band Aid. Right? Like you said, you went and found another job. Like, okay.

Erica: I fixed it enough. And you did enough just to get to that real turning point where you found yourself in this panic attack.

Robin: Mhmm.

Erica: And that's kind of what led you to the journey of finding yourself. And as you put it in your book, finding your sparkle, which I love. And burnout, this is the big focus of this book. As you put it, we are chronically cranky, irritated with zero patience, and you describe yourself as a hot mix of acid rain and tornado. And I was like, woah. Yep.

Erica: Acid rain and tornado. So how did we start unwrapping the identity from corporate America and the Robin who is on the success train, to slow down and get out of this acid rain and tornado mix?

Robin: Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. So I think for everyone, there's a different trigger point. Right?

Robin: For me, it took a lot. Like, I think especially for high achievers, it takes a pretty big life whack to just make you sit down. And I say life just stared me in the face and said, like, you're crazy. Like, what are you doing? Stop this or I'm gonna stop it for you. And so I think there's those things that happen.

Robin: But I think for other people, there has to come a moment where you get really clear. I call it extreme clarity in the book. Like, you really have to just sit down with yourself. I call it studying yourself like a science project and really thinking about, like, who are you? What are you passionate about?

Robin: What drives you? Who are you working for, and why are you working? And what's the endgame of all this? Like, you're gonna conquer every mountain you go after. I have no doubt.

Robin: Right? But what's at the end of that? And so I think just really spending whatever amount of time it takes for you to get really clear is super important. And so I did that. I spent, for me, it was that two day window where I had that mammogram scare looming over my head, that is when I really did that clear thinking and just really got honest with myself.

Robin: So I think that's a key step. And then I think you've gotta pull in the people in your life that this affects and get their inputs and opinions. Because my husband could have told me I was acid rain and tornadoes. He felt it every day. Right?

Robin: Like, I was not sunshine and rainbows. And he knew it for years, and God bless him. Like, he put up with it. And so I think just thinking through how you think you're helping your family or your friends, those important to you, and maybe how you're actually not by being this high achiever. So I think there's this kind of radical clarity you really gotta think through for yourself.

Erica: Yeah. And I love how you talk about, like, you will conquer every mountain. Right? You've got no doubt about that. And I think one of the important things to note on this, and this is actually how I coach people on leading challenging meetings, right, is by asking them what do you wanna get out of it.

Erica: And that for me is really that connecting point, because sometimes we are so reactive, and we just go, go, go, that we don't stop to think, like, what is it that I'm trying to get after? So when you're going after every single one of those goals, bigger company, broader scope, more money, what is your endgame here? Like, what are you really trying to get? And I think if we can slow down enough to dissect that, and it requires being really in tune with your emotions.

Erica: Which is uncomfortable. I mean

Robin: Exactly. It's uncomfortable

Erica: because it exposes a lot of your vulnerabilities and your flaws.

Robin: Mhmm.

Erica: I guess one of my questions is, like, how did you find the courage? Or do you really feel like you had no other option at this point and you were forced to find the courage to walk away from corporate America and this, what on paper looks like an amazing career? How did you do that?

Robin: Yeah. Well, I think to your earlier point, one of the things I did that I think helped give me courage is I applied a lot of the corporate tools that we all know and either love or hate around, I call it ROI analysis. Like, your career is probably the biggest investment you'll ever make. It's eighty thousand hours of our life. I mean, that's a lot of hours.

Robin: Right? You just spend a third of your life probably at work. And so just thinking through, and I did it for me, doing a cost benefit analysis almost. Like, is what I'm putting in worth what I'm getting out or not? Am I getting what I really want out of my life and out of my career?

Robin: Again, that's where that radical clarity really helps you be crystal clear about what it is you're trying to solve for in your life. So I have to say, if your work is costing you your mental, physical, or emotional health, it is too expensive. Like, period. It's just too expensive. And so for me, it got too expensive. Like, it really was costing me in every area of my health, physically, mentally, and emotionally, and I just could not do it one more minute.

Robin: I just could not. And so I think for me, it gave me a lot of courage. It gave me a lot of momentum and just a lot of juice to really think about, like, what do I do next? And it was terrifying. Like, it still is to some degree.

Robin: Like, I'm still trying to figure this whole thing out. I don't have all the answers, but I am so much happier. I'm so much more at peace. I have time now to just talk to people and really connect with them. You know, I think being in human resources, you think we're good at that naturally, but I started to see people as problems.

Robin: Like, I was just, oh, no. Like, here comes another problem in my door in the office, and I really just hated that about myself. Like, I really went into HR because I wanted to help people, and I wasn't able to do that in that frame of mind that I was in. And so for me, that was part of the equation too. So I think it's getting clear.

Robin: It's taking some small steps. I was able financially just to make some decisions and start to build up some safety nets that I could make this call and just kinda decide to leave. But it's scary, but you just gotta step into it.

Erica: Really eye opening in your book was that calculator that you had of, like, you've worked this many days, you work this many hours, you are this old, like, here's how many weekends you have left. And I was looking at that, and I almost felt, like, personally attacked. You know? I'm like, she's pointing out that I only have so many weekends left.

Erica: But it is a great way to look at where you are spending your time, because I don't have to tell anybody that we all know tomorrow is not promised. You know? So even if we're using your average life expectancy here, that is not a promise or a guarantee. And then if we want to be happy and intentional in our lives and be the ones driving the bus, then we need to be focused on what we're doing. And so I loved that because that was very eye opening for me just to see the numbers in black and white.

Erica: And you also did that for emails too, which was a bit scary for me.

Robin: So many emails.

Erica: So many emails. And you're right. And I think one other thing that you said in the book that really resonated with me too was we are so addicted to the rush of winning. Right? And especially when we are high achievers climbing the corporate ladder, it's always getting to the next best thing.

Erica: But being able to slow it down and take a breath.

Robin: Yeah. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah.

Erica: Take a breath.

Robin: Yeah. Exactly. And maybe it's okay if you don't get that next big promotion. Or maybe, like I said, I didn't have a framework for how to not work a 110%. Like, I was a straight A student in school. Like, my whole life, I've been that person.

Robin: And, like, what does 80% look like for you? Like, maybe it's just fine, and maybe that gives you some kind of flexibility and freedom in your life to do other things that give you some passion and purpose. So I really just think we do have to step back and just evaluate this goal chasing and, why are we chasing? Like, what is this for, and how can you balance out a bit more?

Erica: Yeah. No. And, I mean, I told you at the beginning, I felt like you were my twin in South Carolina because not only are we both HR professionals, but I too really felt like, okay. I'm moving on up the ladder. Like, keep going.

Erica: Keep looking for a better title. Keep looking for more money. And it's true. Like, you do just hit this wall. And it was in the middle of COVID when I really felt like I hit my wall, and I was just running at full speed.

Erica: Everything felt like a shit show. But I also felt like I kept having to put on this mask of perfection. You know?

Erica: That I had this job, and I had this title, and I had the house and the family. Check. Check. Check.

Erica: Check. But, like, inside, I was just crumbling. And, you know, for people who listen to my podcast, I've treated my crumbling with a lot of wine and a lot of numbing out, and that was not helpful for anyone involved. And it does impact the people closest to you.

Erica: You know, you said your husband could have told you any day for years that this wasn't great. You know? Like, this is a problem, but, like, I love you, so I'm gonna stick by you.

Erica: And I think it's happening for so many people, this need to award gather. You know? And I'm wondering, like, how do we support other women? And, I mean, you may not have the answer.

Erica: I don't know that I have the answer. But how do we support other women in stopping, right, saying I don't have to do all these things. I don't need to be like her, and I can be like me.

Robin: Well, you know what's surprising? I knew how prevalent burnout was, but not to the degree that it is. So since I've written the book, I've just had so many people reaching out saying, Robin, I'm so glad you wrote this. Like, I never would have thought you were burned out, number one. Like, I was great at faking it and no one really saw except for my husband. Right?

Robin: And then number two, there's such a stigma around it. Like, I think high achievers in particular feel like we can't say that we're burnt out. We can't say we need a break. We can't not do a 110%, all the things. Right?

Robin: So I think just helping ourselves stop the stigma, and I think employers and HR functions can play a big role in that. Like, we've got to give people, I call it space and grace. Like, we just have to give ourselves space to recalibrate and think about our lives, and space to not work eighty hours a week and be connected to your phone twenty four seven, and then give ourselves grace. Like, it's okay. This is so common.

Robin: I think some of the stats say eighty percent of us are fighting through burnout to some degree. That's no surprise. I think 2020 accelerated that tenfold, you know, for almost every industry and every career type. HR in particular, I think, really felt that escalation. But I just think we have to get to a place where we give ourselves some grace, because I just think we hold ourselves to such high standards. We're such perfectionists.

Robin: We're such high achievers that we just don't do that. We don't give ourselves that permission to just take a pause or take a break or whatever it is we need to do, that's different for everybody. I think that's a big part of it.

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Erica: You also had in your book that stay at home moms reported higher levels of burnout than working moms, with fifty five percent of them citing that they always or frequently feel burnt out. And I will be the first person to raise my hand and say that pre kids and even post kids, there were times when I kind of gave them a little discredit, and I was like, oh, it must be nice, you know, to just stay at home all day. I've gotta do all these other things. You know?

Erica: And now I've opened my eyes to how challenging that really is. And, like, let's be real. Going to work and sending my kids off to school is a luxury. So why do you think stay at home moms are drowning?

Robin: Yeah. Yeah. Well, for stay at home moms in particular, I think they often feel they don't have an outlet to even talk about these things. Like, to your point, a lot of people say, oh, aren't you lucky? You get to stay home.

Robin: But they're on twenty four seven. Right? Like, there's so many things coming at you. You know, there's such a tradition of expectation that you're at home or you're doing all the things for the kids and the family. And at the same time, what I've also found is a lot of professional women that left the workplace and are now stay at home moms, like, they're really struggling with a sense of purpose or a sense of accomplishment, even though they know their kids are the most important thing they'll ever invest in in their lives.

Robin: At the same time, they still crave this professional, in some degree, kind of accomplishment. So I think they're struggling with how do I figure this out? Like, how do I still do things that allow me to use my talents and gifts that I have? And I've heard amazing stories that people have done some really creative things in that space, but I think that's part of it. It's the expectations, again, that we think other people have of us or that we put on ourselves, and I think that especially applies to stay at home moms.

Erica: Well, that's a very good point. So you've said you're so much happier, so much more at peace. And I do feel like that just exudes from your face, your smile, just your demeanor. Like, you just appear very relaxed. Do you ever feel the anxiety or the burnout creeping back in with the work that you're doing now?

Robin: Mhmm. Yeah. That's actually a great question. I was just talking to someone about this last week. Like, I have to constantly watch this because the overachiever workaholic in me is not gone.

Robin: Like, she's still here. And so now most of what I do is on social media. And, again, I'm an introvert, and so it's now a different kind of engagement, and I'm constantly on. Like, I'm constantly responding to comments online or whatever it is. And so I really have to put boundaries in place even in this world that I'm in now, because I can work twenty four seven.

Robin: And it's fun, and I love it. Right? Like, this gives me a lot of joy and a lot of energy, but I still have to put those boundaries in place. So it definitely is still there, and I still have to watch that. So it doesn't go away. Like, it's something you just constantly have to manage for yourself.

Erica: I agree. I don't think sticky floors ever leave us. But I do think that if we pay attention like you have done, we can be aware of that. And then when we notice those tendencies start to creep in, we can kinda pump the brakes and say, okay, Erica, Robin, you're going back into this old phase. Because I mean, that's one of the things that I was really thinking about. Like, you were the CEO of your business, your life right now.

Erica: Like, people pour in. You know? How do you balance the time? But like I said, I think you are doing an amazing job.

Erica: Obviously, it just, like, seeps out from your pores that you look relaxed, feel relaxed. So I think you're

Robin: Thanks.

Erica: What advice would you give women right now who feel like they're struggling with burnout?

Robin: I think, one, find that time to just really sit down and have a conversation with yourself. It needs to be quiet, away from distraction, however you can get it. Even if it's just a few hours, great if it's a few days, you know, whatever amount of pause you can take. Like, really just be selfish for yourself in this moment, because this really will help those around you. Like, ultimately, this helps you and your family, and it helps you in your working environment.

Robin: If you can really center on who are you, why are you doing what you're doing, is what you're putting in giving you the ROI you want out of it, and just really doing that reflection work, I think, is number one. And then number two, just putting in, if you decide, hey, listen, I wanna be doing something different in my life, or I want a different kind of role, or I want a different kind of balance, those are going to take real action. You have to put some baby steps in place.

Robin: So just think about, like, what's the next best thing that you can do? Like, don't pressure yourself to quit tomorrow or make some big drastic change. Like, just pick one small thing that you can do tomorrow, and then pick another thing the next week. And eventually, you'll start to get to this. And then start to build in your support system, because you're going to need that. Like, you're probably going to make a big life change or a big career change, and it's hard to do on your own.

Robin: So find your people and really kind of get them involved in your thinking. And I think you'll find a lot of champions, a lot of coaches for yourself, a lot of advocates that can really be helpful. So that'd be a few things. Yeah.

Erica: And I love asking this question to everyone that's on my show. But, you know, if you could go back to the Robin who is on the hamster wheel with the motor on full speed, gas pedal to the floor, car doesn't even have a brake pedal, what advice would you give her today knowing everything that you know now?

Robin: You know, I say I wrote Sparkle to myself about five years ago. It is the book I wish I had had access to back then. But I think I would just say, Robin, you will be okay. Like, there is more to you and more for you in this life, and you will be okay. Like, you can figure this out. You are more than your corporate identity and your work. And really, I think, have a good conversation with her about that.

Robin: So I think once you kinda get that in your soul, then it really just gives you so much freedom and just runway for your future.

Erica: Yeah. No. I think that's very powerful. You know? I love it.

Erica: And one of my favorite things, and you put this very much towards the end of the book, is, you know, people will stare, so make it worth their while. And that is a quote by Harry Winston, I believe.

Robin: Yes. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Erica: I love it. People will stare, so make it worth their while. So what are you up to now? Where can people find you? Where can they get in touch with you?

Robin: Yeah. Thank you. So I'm on LinkedIn. That's probably the easiest way to find me. And then the book is The Sparkle.

Robin: And if you're trying to find it on Amazon, you have to type in The Sparkle Robin Kirby to find it. But, yeah, those are the easiest ways to connect with me. And I'd love to chat, you know, if you're just burning out and you just want a kind of understanding ear or just want some thoughts or advice, I'm happy to just chat with you.

Erica: Oh, I have no doubt you would be the best person to talk to about that. And I will link your book in the show notes. Like I said, everyone, it is a really easy and great read, and she's got a lot of amazing activities and reflection points and questions to really help you dig deep and understand your mission, your vision, and to take that pause to get off the hamster wheel to examine what it is you wanna get out of life. So, Robin, thank you so much for being here. I am so glad that I have met you, and your story is so powerful.

Erica: So thank you for sharing.

Robin: Oh, thank you so much, Erica. I had a great time.

Erica: Oh, what are you waiting for? Get on Amazon today and buy Robin's book. It really is amazing and a super great read. And friends, I would love if you could rate, review, and subscribe to the podcast, as it truly helps the message land in the hands of the woman that needs to hear it most.