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Erica: Because honestly, girl, you were never meant to do this alone.

Kacie: I was a bit pissed because I thought, well, I did everything they told me to do and I still am not happy. So what is wrong with me? And that is something that I've learned a lot over the past few years, is that it's not what is wrong with me, it's that doesn't work for me. And that shift, it's still something I work on. And talk about sticky floors. I think that's one of mine, is this idea that often when I'm in a situation that isn't right, my go to is something is wrong with me to not fit in.

Kacie: And I'm working on, I have things that I need, want, deserve. And if the situation or environment is not providing that, it's not necessarily a commentary on myself or that the situation is bad. It's just not for me.

Erica: You are listening to the podcast that empowers women to get seen, get heard, and get promoted. I'm your host, Erica Rooney, and I have made it my mission to help you break free from the sticky floors, those limiting beliefs, and toxic behaviors, to bust through the glass ceiling. Today's guest, Kacie Lett Gordon, is the cofounder of It All Media, a modern media empire that is devoted to women who are undoing it all. She's busy telling new stories, amplifying women's voices, and facilitating a movement through conversation.

Erica: Now I had the immense honor of being a guest on her podcast, which is all about women redefining it all. And I knew that I could not keep her to myself. I had to bring her here to you. So pop in an earbud, get a comfy seat, and let's dive in. Kacie, it is awesome to see you again.

Erica: How's it going?

Kacie: You too. It's going good. It's been an eventful month since we last caught up, but in all the good ways. I'm grateful to be here this morning.

Erica: Oh, I'm so happy that we have connected once again. And you've been doing all the things, South by Southwest. I mean, just running around. What did you talk about at South by Southwest?

Kacie: Yes. So South by Southwest, we were there curating and moderating a conversation on sexual and reproductive wellness. And the idea of this wellness is different than health. Health is such a baseline need. How do we just get to stability, where wellness is this abundance place of what does it mean to be well, to be indulgent, to be feeling good?

Kacie: And reproductive and wellness don't often go together. So it was an amazing event. It was on awareness and raising funds for abortion care, abortion access in Texas, which in 2023 is not looking great.

Erica: No. No. It is not. I love that you talk about indulgence, though, because my immediate thought was that is something that we always look at as, like, a bad thing. Like, we shouldn't be indulging.

Erica: And I feel like we should do more indulging. Life is short. What's your take on that?

Kacie: Completely. We talk a lot about this idea of rewriting narratives at It All Media, and rewriting the narrative on selfishness, on indulgence, on, you know, even, like, greed. Like, greed has such a negative connotation, but it's like, what are you doing with that abundance? What are you doing with that asset? And that to me is where indulgence comes in, because when I'm indulgent for myself, when I pour into myself, when I'm leisurely with my time, when I feel good, that reverberates through my life. I'm a better mother.

Kacie: I'm a better partner. I'm a better friend. I'm more indulgent with my love, with my care, with my generosity. And the times that I feel most spread thin or barely getting by or not being indulgent, I feel that in all the negative ways too. I feel like I don't have enough love to give.

Kacie: I feel like I don't have enough time. I feel like I'm not generous with the things that are important to me. So, yeah, as women specifically, who've been conditioned and told from a very early age, don't be indulgent, don't have too much, make yourself as polite as possible, to renegotiate your relationship with indulgence, it's not easy. So it sounds great, and you're catching me on a day where I'm feeling particularly zen. If you caught me two weeks ago or two weeks from now, I might be having a different struggle.

Erica: And that's okay. Right? That's a part of it, and always constantly working on that and reminding yourself. I tell people all the time perfectionism is an area that I struggle with when it comes to my workouts. I have this constant mentality that if I don't do it for a certain amount of time to a certain intensity, it's not worth it.

Erica: And that comes from this ingrained message in my life as a personal trainer that over time, like, thirty minutes is what you do. So if I didn't get thirty minutes, it was trash. And so today, I did 20 because that's what I had. But it's a work. It's a reminder.

Kacie: Yeah. And the ability, how do we set these longer term goals? Like, I wanna be healthy as my lifestyle, versus I just beat myself up whether I do or do not do something for thirty minutes, versus I'll be back at it tomorrow. Maybe I'll have forty minutes. I think Western culture has a lot of that ingrained.

Kacie: I think womanhood has a lot of that ingrained. We're both millennials. I think that has a lot of it ingrained. And so there's a lot of factors at play there where we've been told you can do it all, so you should do it all and be it all and do it perfectly. And if you can't, then it's failure.

Kacie: It's so binary in our definition of what good or success is.

Erica: And since we're talking about it all, tell me about It All Media, because I am just fascinated and in awe of this media company that you've turned into a movement.

Kacie: Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for the plug here. So It All Media, I am the cofounder, co CEO with my best friend, business partner, and neighbor. I was just laughing with Erica that my house cleaners came today, so I had to run over to my business partner's house and let myself in to have this conversation.

Kacie: But we say we're a media company turned movement, and it really centers on the redefinition of women can have it all. Like, what does that mean? How have we been conditioned? And then we say it's the undoing of it all. We envision a world where women are equal and valued architects of the systems that run our life at work, at home, and in our communities, and the valued part is really important there.

Kacie: There's a new addition to a lot of the DEI work, which is B, which is belonging. And belonging really is the outcome. Diversity, equity, inclusion, those are the mechanisms in which you create belonging. But for us, when we think about that valued piece, it's because things perform better, systems perform better, work performs better, relationships perform better when women, and I love men, this is not an anti men statement, but when non straight white men are not the only ones in positions of power, the world operates better. Financially, we see that. Retention, we see that. Like, there's so many elements. And so it's not just an opinion of my ethos, which it is, but it's backed by data.

Erica: Absolutely. There is a book called We Should All Be Millionaires by Rachel Rodgers.

Kacie: Wow. That's the third time I've heard that this month. Yeah.

Erica: If you haven't read it, it's a must read. Okay. She's just a super fun person, but she is all about promoting diversity and equity, especially among people of color and women. And she talks about how the world is a better place when there is money in women's pockets, not just in men's pockets. And so she actually puts the research behind it.

Erica: Like, we're not just all fluff. We're not just saying it. There really is a difference when women have money and they pour it. Like, you're talking about pouring into your cup earlier, they're pouring it out into the community. They're pouring it into causes that are important.

Erica: So, yeah, plug for Rachel Rodgers, because if you haven't read her book, you totally should.

Kacie: I thought you'd just give my reading list for the day.

Erica: So how did you kind of come up with this idea? You know, take me back to the beginning. How did this start for you?

Kacie: Yeah. It's all centered on what we call a fuck it all moment, and you were so gracious to join us on the Fuck It All podcast. And so the story started with my pursuit of the proverbial it all. And I don't even know if it was an overt, like, I'm gonna have it all. I think it was just this, I worked hard.

Kacie: I got the good grades. I was the good girl. I was the good friend, the sister, the partner. And for a long period of time, I mean, I've always had anxiety. I've always had bouts of depression, I think, pressure, some of that societally, some of that environmentally, some of that self driven.

Kacie: But it was having my daughter in 2019 that I started, you know, I think that we often look at motherhood of, oh, that changes everything. Well, yeah, it does, because think about if you're carrying stones. Somebody gave me this analogy. And you're carrying them and you're carrying them, and you now take on the biggest one you've ever taken, which is raising another person, and you haven't laid any of those other stones down or don't have any other support. It is not a sustainable thing.

Kacie: And so for me, I was promoted to senior vice president as I went out on maternity leave. That, in theory, sounds amazing. I was so proud of that. I had just turned 30. I thought, wow.

Kacie: What a progressive company. All of this on paper felt right. And then, Lauren Brody, she's the author of The Fifth Trimester, and I had never heard that term until recently. But they talk about the fourth trimester as when the baby is here, but the fifth trimester is when the mom goes back to work. And that is when I really struggled.

Kacie: And so it was all of my roles coinciding in the ways that I traditionally or previously felt strong. I now felt vulnerable. I was not able to maybe travel as much. I was not able to network in the same way. I was pumping in a closet every hour.

Kacie: Like, all of the life things that naturally happen, as you should be. But because I was not able to show up in these very traditionally masculine spaces, I was in technology and consulting and sales, so all very hyper masculine spaces, I wasn't able to show up there as I had previously. And yet, as a mother, as a woman, as a person, I had never felt stronger. And so talk about an identity crisis, where all of the things that you previously had found value and worth in were shifted.

Kacie: And I didn't have the tools. I didn't have the mechanisms. I'd had support, but I think that we've all been learning together, my husband, my mom, my friends, over the past few years of just unpacking all this. And so for me, I wanted to drive my car off the road. And it quite literally was driving home, getting on the on ramp, and thinking, well, that retaining wall looks better than what I have.

Kacie: And it was just this very visceral, sobering moment to say, one, I'm the mother of a daughter, and I would be devastated if she defined this as her success. Two, this can't be all there is. Like, if this is it all, then I opt out. This is ridiculous, and I don't want it.

Kacie: And if I did not have the privilege, support, access, education, network that I did, saying fuck it all is a privilege. Many people think it. Few can actually act on it.

Erica: Absolutely.

Kacie: And the fact that I could go home to my husband and say we need to figure out an exit strategy, that is a privilege within itself. And so that was in December 2019, and it's now April 2023. So we're, you know, three and a half years into this experience. And we worked on a peace of mind plan, and that's what I recommend anybody that's looking for a transition. It's not an overnight thing. I was the breadwinner in my family.

Kacie: We had a daughter. We had childcare. We're living in a world where you have to plan for those things. And so having that light at the end of the tunnel was helpful to me, to know that this is what I'm working towards. By the end of the summer, I left.

Kacie: So that was about nine months later. This was also the peak of COVID. So, you know, lots of question marks there. And I was a bit pissed because I thought, well, I did everything they told me to do, and I still am not happy. So what is wrong with me?

Kacie: And that is something that I've learned a lot over the past few years. It's not what is wrong with me. It's that doesn't work for me. And that shift, it's still something I work on. And talk about sticky floors. I think that's one of mine, is this idea that often when I'm in a situation that isn't right, my go to is something is wrong with me to not fit in. And I'm working on, I have things that I need, want, deserve.

Kacie: And if the situation or environment is not providing that, it's not necessarily a commentary on myself or that the situation is bad. It's just not for me, and having some acceptance around that.

Erica: Do you think that not fitting in piece kind of ties into the belonging piece?

Kacie: It does, because you look at systems that we're operating in, and we started the company with a podcast because there was just a deficit in stories, and story is everything. These conversations are everything. And so in talking to women about these stories, first of all, my goal was 10 as a creative project while I looked for my next job. And in a week, I had a backlog of a 100. And that to me was validation that something is going on here.

Kacie: I'm not the only one that feels out of place. And so in starting that, I then called my best friend. She had been working in systems change and social impact for the past ten years. And I said, I think this is bigger. When we talk about that not fitting in, it's not just us. It's not just me.

Kacie: This is something that's systemic and pervasive in every aspect of our lives. I was experiencing it first time in motherhood and parenthood, the shift in my relationship that had previously been very equitable fifty fifty with a partner that is self aware and eager, but still just the ingrained social norms of what a mom does versus what a dad does. With parents that, you know, we're entering into that phase where there's some aging and what do the relationships look like as a daughter that is the caregiver. I was just being confronted with a lot of these things. And so we started coding our research, documenting it to say that this was right at the peak of the great resignation. We were seeing what was happening with parents, especially mothers, in the midst of the pandemic.

Kacie: We were seeing what was happening with Black Lives Matter. We were seeing what's happening with black women. I mean, it's just, you name it. It was going on, and we continue to see it. And that's when we landed on our two products in this world, our stories and conversation.

Kacie: Because stories allow us to see ourselves in a different reality, but it's conversation that allows us to make sense of that reality together. And when we talk about perfectionism, when we talk about not fitting in, we have a line that's, I've never felt more alone than in the presence of perfection. And so often in our system that is performative in a lot of ways, social media, and I think COVID has changed a lot of this in a positive way around transparency around mental health. But in 2019, this was not the same conversation that we're having today.

Kacie: And so for me, I just felt like I was looking everywhere, and everybody was going, it's fine. It's fine. I'm good. I'm thriving.

Kacie: And I was over here crashing. But once I opened that door, I was flooded with people who wanted to join and say, like, I'd rather have this conversation, and that's what we've been building since.

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Erica: It's amazing that when you create the space for that conversation and you find the strength to finally say, like, this isn't working for me. I'm crashing. How many of your people raise their hands. Right? Like, we talk about the Me Too movement. It took a very bold person, and then all of a sudden, the floodgates opened, and it's like, wow.

Erica: You know? And I kinda felt like we all knew it. And when I say we all, I mean, I felt like women knew it, but I felt like society didn't.

Kacie: Yeah. And I think that's something that I've learned a lot over the past few years, is what often feels not known to you is novel to someone else. And that could be women within our own circle. That could be you as an individual, a subject matter expert, a person living your experiences, that so often we just think, like, oh, this is what everybody's doing. But when you enter into spaces and speak your truth, so often it is new, and it does have the power to change things.

Erica: Yeah. When you were talking about going back to work, that so resonated with me, because as a fellow high achiever and the person who was like, I've got this checklist of life. Okay? I graduated from high school. I did the college thing.

Erica: I bought a townhome. I got married. Check, check, check, check. Right? Like, I'm going down this checklist. And it's almost like you get to this point in the checklist when you've had the babies and you've accomplished all this. It's almost when you hit that lull in life where it's like you're just going about the day when you really realize, like, what the hell am I doing? Like, what is this? Because you're also split in two between the mother and the worker bee.

Erica: And that was such a hard, I don't even wanna call it identity shift. I almost wanna call it an identity split. And I talk about how I often felt like I had to lie when I first returned back to work, because I felt like if I wasn't fully a 100% present at work from nine to five, right, don't leave at 4:00 because nine to five, then I wasn't being a good worker. But yet if I wasn't with my kids and packing the organic bento boxes and breastfeeding until they're seven, then I wasn't being a good mom.

Erica: And I never felt like I was killing the game in either area, which made it terrible because I was that high achiever. So I had been checking all the damn boxes, and then all of a sudden, I was just failing in all aspects. And it's because society did not and still doesn't, I think we're doing a little bit better of a job, but they don't create that space for mothers to do it all.

Kacie: Yeah. Yeah. So much of what you're saying resonates. The split personality and identity. It was funny. I mean, that ultimately, I think, was where I broke. One, I'll say that I was in a position of privilege. I was an executive in our company when I had my daughter. I had an all women sales team and five people reporting to me. And I worked with a coach prior to having my daughter of, like, what was my purpose in my work regardless of role? And this was something that was really important to me prior to becoming a mom.

Kacie: I grew up with a single mom. She was an entrepreneur, and one thing I've always loved is the flexibility she had to be present with me. It wasn't always easy, and we had a lot of other trade offs and sacrifices in that journey, but flexibility was something I really valued. For a long time, I felt like an entrepreneur without an idea, and I knew it was something with women, but I didn't know what. So when I had my daughter and returned to work, there were three things that I had been building my career on previously, which was connect people, create value, and change what it means to be a woman in business.

Kacie: And I took the latter because I was in a position of privilege with an all women's team. I took that really seriously. And so I would do the bold thing, but I was still riddled with guilt and shame. So I would take the call while breastfeeding. I would leave early because my daughter was sick or I wanted to go to her day care for a fall festival.

Kacie: I would do it. And I felt strong in that decision when I made it. Like, I'm going to do this thing because of how I lead here. I set a precedent for maternity leave at the company. There was a lot that I carried there. But at night, when everything was done, I was riddled with guilt and shame that everybody else, especially my male colleagues, even though they hadn't necessarily given me this inclination, but I assumed that they were judging or thinking less of me.

Kacie: So I think that both can be true. You can do the bold thing and still feel like shit.

Erica: Mhmm.

Kacie: And I think I did that a lot, and it was the feeling like shit that ultimately made me want to do something different.

Erica: And that's so much harder because on the outside, it looks great. Right? We're back to that. On the outside, you're doing the bold things. You're being a mom. You're being a good employee, but inside, you're still feeling like shit. You're not connecting with those core values, which all leads up to the anxiety, the depression that you were talking about. How long did you struggle with the anxiety and the depression in this phase before you came up with your peace of mind plan?

Kacie: I mean, my daughter was born in June, and I wanted to drive my car off the road in December. So I would say I returned around, probably three months, like, really sitting in it and sitting in it to say, is this just postpartum? Am I just getting used to it? There's a lot unknown. Hormonally, I was coming off of breastfeeding.

Kacie: A lot happens. Right? And so I think that also goes to women. A lot of times, we don't trust ourselves. Right?

Kacie: We think that, like, oh, it's not real. And the environment I was in continued to, and I can look at it now and understand that. At the time, if you would ask me probably six months after I left my job, I would have said the job was wrong or the company was not right. In hindsight, I can say, like, I was going through my own soul journey of growth of where I needed to be, and things had to have friction at that company for me to take this step. And I cannot be more certain that I am where I am meant to be. Like, I get signs and affirmations and universal pats on the back all the time to say, like, you're where you're meant to be, and so I find a lot of peace in that. The thing you were mentioning earlier around this, what do you do when you start to live in the lull? I remember the first time I experienced that, I was probably 25.

Kacie: You're done with college. You get your first job. I had gotten a couple promotions. And I remember just feeling like, I don't know what's next. I don't have purpose.

Kacie: If you think about it, all of us have been working towards these finite milestones. Finish high school with a certain GPA so you can go to college. In college, you do certain things so you can get the job. In the job, or if you're in the dating world, you're dating so you can meet that person. If you meet that person, then you get on well and you get married. And I remember I went to a therapist, and she's like, now you have to do the hard part. It's called living. Like, you're not working towards a finite thing.

Kacie: Like, this is your life. And that was really hard for a few years. I mean, years.

Erica: That is just so true, though. You said that. I was like, damn. You know? Because it's such a realization, you don't think about it.

Erica: And for me, you know, being in corporate, I was always climbing the ladder, and it was kind of like I got to this point. I was in the C suite. Where else do you go from there? You know? Do I just continue to always take on more scope and more responsibilities?

Erica: That doesn't seem right, but it's sitting with just living. And that can be hard and scary, especially for people who are high achievers, who are growth minded and want to do more.

Kacie: Yeah. And for me, I had to get quiet. That's what the past few years have been, is that my accomplishments, and we even talk about fuck it all moments. Like, fuck it all moments used to be, for me, these table flipping, I'm out of here moments. Right?

Kacie: And we still have them. But now the more powerful ones are the quiet, nuanced ones. Setting a boundary that you don't have to announce, saying no to something, realizing that you're having a bad day and not beating yourself up and letting yourself rest.

Erica: I was just about to say self compassion.

Kacie: Yeah. Those are the ones that now, if you ask me, like, my most proud achievements, yes, my daughter, yes, my marriage, yes, my business, all of those things, but they're more now. Like, I'm learning to just befriend and be kind and love myself and say, like, girl, you're having a day. Like, you take it easy. Or, oh my god. Look at you setting a boundary with that person.

Kacie: It is so different. And for a while, I was talking to someone. I'm like, we wanna prevent women from having fuck it all moments. And she looked at me. She's 70.

Kacie: She looked at me and she goes, why would you ever take that from them? That is a sacred moment. And do you think you're where you're meant to be because of your fuck it all moments? I was like, yeah.

Kacie: She's like, those are not yours to take. You can walk with them, but you do not take them. And that was really peaceful to me, honestly, because that's a big undertaking to have to prevent fuck it all moments. I'm not capable of that. But to say, like, oh, all I have to do is show up in my true form, walk with people as they experience them, and still do those things.

Kacie: Connect people, create value, and change what it means to be a woman. I've taken off the in business part, but that is, like, plenty of work.

Erica: Yeah. That's enough, and that's enough.

Kacie: That's enough. Yeah.

Erica: And enough is good.

Kacie: Yeah. Yeah.

Erica: So, Kacie, for you, what is the definition of it all in your life right now?

Kacie: It's not things, and sometimes I don't even think it's wanting it all. I think of a buffet sometimes, and it sucks me out. I'm like, I don't wanna go gorge. Like, that does not sound good. Like, give me curated.

Kacie: Give me, like, a chef that knows what they're doing. Like, that sounds better. So for me, I think it's knowing myself and honoring what I need and what I want with a presence, with no judgment, with a lot of love. It's much more inward driven than it's ever been. And it's a struggle.

Kacie: I mean, it's not perfect, but that to me is it all. It's knowing myself, being kind to myself, and honoring what future me would want.

Erica: And what piece of advice would you give women who are struggling with the it all concept? Right? And they're wanting to do the fuck it all, flip the table, and all of those things. What piece of advice would you give them?

Kacie: I mean, sometimes you do need to flip the table. So, like, if you need to flip the table, my friend, you flip it. Anger is a powerful emotion. A couple of things. One, give yourself, and I hate the word grace because I think it's overused, but give yourself a tremendous amount of grace, because every struggle that you're feeling internally is caused by a system.

Kacie: Systems inform our actions, which inform our beliefs, which inform the stories we're told, and vice versa. Stories inform our beliefs, which are our actions in our system. So anytime you're feeling something of, it's not right, recognize that you are a product of the environment and systems that we are a part of, and you can take the responsibility to undo and unlearn those at any time. But your awareness that things are not right is, like, just honor that moment and be like, oh my god. Look at me paying attention to myself, because you're doing the first thing.

Kacie: The second is get quiet. Community is important, but sometimes voices can get loud. And so I think finding whatever your practice is to get quiet and listen to yourself. And a lot of times, I think many of us know what is not right, but we're scared to say it because then the expectation is we have to act on it. And you may eventually have to act on it, but if you get quiet and you name it, you can just sit with that. And it may not be the table flipping.

Kacie: It may be leaving a relationship. It may be leaving a job. It may be recharting a course, whatever that is, saying goodbye to things that bring you comfort. But that, to me, is the biggest thing. And then once you get quiet, we talk about defining, creating, and owning your it all.

Kacie: We cannot go create whatever it is it all is before you actually define it. And so starting with, what is it that you want? How do you wanna spend your time? That can unlock so much, and then get curious, then maybe invite in some voices, find community, define it with some, or create it with. It doesn't have to be hard. I think as women, we think we have to do it all.

Kacie: And so oftentimes, I would say, just start speaking what your wants are. And we were talking about manifesting before we hit play. When you start speaking those, it's really amazing. It's like when you hear a new word, and you start to see it everywhere. That's how it has worked, at least in my experience and so many of the women that I know. Yeah.

Kacie: So, hopefully, that's helpful.

Erica: Oh, it's amazingly helpful, and I love it. And if you are as motivated and inspired by all of the gems that Kacie has dropped with us today, I'm gonna link all of her website, podcast, LinkedIn in the show notes. Be sure to follow her and listen to her podcast, Fuck It All, because it's also amazing.

Erica: So, Kacie, thank you.

Kacie: Thank you, Erica. Yes. And plug for your episode. It'll be coming out, and we'll be sure to drop those hopefully in the show notes too so we can share our wonderful communities.

Erica: I love it. Thank you. One quick thing before you go. Would you mind scrolling down and dropping a five star review for the podcast? I have a huge goal to get 100 reviews by 100 episodes, and this is episode 96.

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