Erica: Hey, girl. By now, you know I have Her Collective, my online community for ambitious women who are done doing it alone.

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Erica: I'm your host, Erica Rooney. And today, I am super excited to introduce Julie Turney. Now Julie is somebody that I met online, and she and I became fast friends. I am super excited, but she is a heart centric people experience architect, guys, with over sixteen years of experience in the HR profession.

Erica: And to all of my HR friends out here, you need someone like Julie in your life because she is the brainchild of HR at Heart Consulting Incorporated, a coaching firm that she describes as the HR safe space. So we all know how tough it is to be in HR these days, how we're the last to get any love, and that is what Julie specializes in. So she created her firm as a part of the healing process because of her second bout of HR burnout. And today, she supports HR professionals from around the globe who are struggling with burnout, compassion fatigue, I know y'all feel that with me, and frustration in their HR careers to get back on track and regain the lost joy in their HR careers. She is also a TEDx and public speaker, author of the book Confessions of an HR Pro, Stories of Defeat and Triumph.

Erica: She is host of the podcast HR Sound Off Podcast Show and the lead organizer of Disrupt HR Caribbean for Barbados, Jamaica, and Trinidad. So she is on a mission to raise awareness around poor mental health in HR while demystifying the many misconceptions people have about our beloved profession and the people in it. So, Julie, welcome. I am so excited to have you here.

Julie: Hi, Erica. It's so great to be here and to catch up with you again. I love it. How are you doing?

Erica: I am doing so great, and I am so excited to have you here for many reasons. One of them being that you are just the HR guru. And I said it in the intro, but I think anyone in HR needs to get themselves to Julie Turner. But tell me a little bit about yourself. How did you get to where you are?

Erica: What brought you here? And just anything else we can learn about you?

Julie: Wow. Where do I begin? There's a lot to unpack here. There's a lot.

Erica: I love it.

Julie: I started my h I started my HR career about sixteen years ago, and it came about because of a bad experience that I had in the workplace. I was terminated from a job, very tender age, my first job, and I was in my third trimester of pregnancy, was not given any performance discussions or anything like that, and it just threw me for a loop. And it just made me question leadership in general and how people lead. And that kind of started me on a journey of if I ever got into a leadership position, the kind of person I would wanna be as a leader and the kind of person that I would wanna be as a colleague, as a as a someone supporting others in the organization. And a couple years later down the road, I worked in an organization with a boss, one of the best bosses I ever had in my life.

Julie: And one day, she sat me down and she said to me, you're really good with people. Have you ever considered HR? And I was like, no. And, of course, that started the wheels turning in my head about exploring what this thing called HR was. And my HR journey started from there, and I never looked back.

Julie: I started learning about HR. I got my first certification, went on and did other things and landed my first HR role. And from there till now, I've been just working feverishly to support people in organizations and help people to learn, thrive, and grow. But in of course, if you're giving so much to people, Erica, and you do not take care of yourself, then bad things happen to you because you're constantly filling from an empty cup. So I burned out a couple times.

Julie: I had some experiences in my HR career that made me question if HR was where I wanted to be anymore. I had some serious impact on my mental health from various situations that happened on the job, and it just kind of made me stop and take a moment and step back and go, wait a minute. Where's the HR for me? You know what I mean? Because you go through so many distresses, whether it's with leadership or employees.

Julie: Your internal battles with yourself, and it makes you wonder, what do you do? Where do you go from here? And that started me on this new journey of focusing on supporting my beautiful HR colleagues because the pandemic really helped me to take a moment to stop and think about who we are as HR professionals and what we go through as HR professionals. And I started asking the question on the one place that I really focus, which is LinkedIn, of my HR colleagues saying, are you okay? And the stories I started to hear, the conversations I had, I had thousands of conversations over the last two years where especially when we were at the beginning of the pandemic on lockdown.

Julie: I got into a lot of HR communities, and I realized HR was not okay. And it wasn't that we were okay just because of the pandemic. We were okay before the pandemic. We are not going to be okay after the pandemic because we just have so much going on. And that started my journey of being an HR coach right now, support HR professionals in their journeys and helping them to get clarity, deal with their burnout, help them heal from workplace traumas, and helping them to realize that what they're dealing with is trauma because a lot of us don't admit that we've been traumatized.

Julie: A lot of us don't admit we've been abused by leadership, but that's exactly what's happened to us. Yeah. Outside of that, I'm a mom of three beautiful children, two boys, one girl, my husband, who sometimes I refer to as my fourth child. Let's say that for him to hear.

Erica: What's the joke I've heard? It says, which one is your most difficult child? And I tell him it's my mother in law's.

Julie: I love that. I'm stealing that. I am stealing that.

Erica: That's a good one.

Julie: Yes. That is definitely a good one. Yeah. And that's that's me in a nutshell. Huge Marvel fan.

Julie: Love jazz. Just love to be goofy when I get the moment to be goofy, and I'm not dealing with serious and heavy stuff every day.

Erica: Which is important to take that time and separate. But I think what you are specializing in is so important because most people get into HR because they love people. Right? Yeah. And we love those uplifting moments where we can guide people and coach people and help them reach new heights in their career and have these moments that matter in their career.

Erica: But there's also these really, like you said, traumatic experiences that we have to go through, whether that's layoffs or terminations or dealing with difficult leadership or even sometimes having to do things that we maybe don't necessarily agree with.

Julie: Yep. Oh, yes.

Erica: That's a tough one. Mhmm. And it's low HR is a even though it is a people's lonely career, it is a lonely career because it is all confidential, and it all has to stay inside.

Julie: Yeah. And people forget that.

Erica: You can't have any friends at work outside of HR. People forget that, and it can be very lonely. And like you said, at the end of the day, there's a lot of tough stuff weighing on our shoulders. And especially through the pandemic, sometimes more bad than good. So I think what you're doing is so cool, and it's definitely so needed.

Erica: Like the HR therapist, I love it. But yeah. No. I think that's awesome. So in this podcast, we talk a lot about sticky floors and the things that hold us back such as limiting beliefs.

Erica: What was your sticky floor moment? Which one?

Julie: My biggest sticky floor moment was I know I know the people in my profession, and we are so we're know it alls. Right? We're know it alls. We're do it alls. We're givers.

Julie: And my sticky floor was when I decided to make this thing that I call HR at heart a business was, will HR professionals actually take me seriously? Will they come to me for help? And so it really was a very it was a very challenging moment for me because I knew that it was needed, but the question was, will my will my colleague actually take take me seriously and engage in my services? That was my sticky floor. Yeah.

Julie: That's the biggest one. There were so many, but I'll give you the biggest one. That's the biggest one for me.

Erica: That's a hard one too. Right? Because Yeah. You know, for me too being young and a chief people officer in my role, often when I'm coaching leaders, I often get this feeling of, like, why are they going to listen to what I have to say when they have x amount of more years of experience or Mhmm. They're older than me or whatever, and I get that same feeling.

Julie: Mhmm. Yeah. It was really tough seriously thinking about especially just like what you said. You have HR professionals who have more experience in HR than I do, have been in the career longer, have, you know, specialized in various areas more than I have. What would make them want to actually engage in my services, that was a huge sticky floor for me in terms of thinking, like, how do I get past that?

Julie: Yeah. And how do I put my packages in such a way that will make people go, yes. I definitely need to talk to her.

Erica: Yeah. And how long did you sit in that sticky floor? Did you ruminate on that before kind of taking an action?

Julie: I sat in I sat in it for a while, Erica. I'm not gonna lie. Maybe about two, three months. Mhmm. But I didn't stay there very long as far as I'm concerned.

Julie: I didn't stay there very long. I'm three years into my business now, so I didn't stay there very long. But while I was there, it was painful. Like, I almost couldn't see past it Yeah. At least.

Erica: Did you feel like it held you back in not just the areas of your own business in getting started, but in other areas of HR and, like, your career?

Julie: Not so much my career because I'd made a conscious choice that either way I was going to pivot from corporate HR. It was just, do I take this moment to either, a, coach HR professionals or consult in organizations? Because I'd made that choice through my healing, my coaching, and my going through coaching and going through therapy of what my next phase of my career was going to look like, and it wasn't corporate. So it was just a matter of what did that look like. And thanks to my therapist and my coach, I, like I said, I sat in that for a little while, but thanks to them, I was able to get through it and move on to the next phase.

Erica: So what would you say was kind of that pivotal moment where you were like, okay. I'm going to do something about this. I've been sitting here. I've been having these feelings of inadequacy. What was that pivotal moment that kinda changed it for you?

Julie: So one day, I had a call with a potential client. And on that call, I it was the first call I'd ever had where the person actually was like, okay. Let's do this. How do I pay you?

Erica: Were you like, I don't know?

Julie: And I was like, holy smokes. And in that moment, I was like, okay. And I remembered something my coach had said to me, which was you take it one client at a time. Every time you get a client, you count that as a victory, and you keep it moving. But this first time that I actually walked this person through what a coaching experience with me would look like, and they were like, okay.

Julie: I need this. I wanna engage your services. How much does it cost? How do I pay you? Then I was like, okay.

Julie: We're off to the races. We've we've we've we've got something here. And that was my first thing of, like, okay. You can do this. It is possible.

Julie: If you build it, they will come, so keep keep going.

Erica: So do you feel like that just that one moment gave you the confidence to say Yes. Yeah.

Julie: Yeah. That one moment, because of my coach saying to me, you take it one client at a time, it'll it'll work out.

Erica: Yeah. And was it a business coach, or was it a life coach? How were

Julie: what were you doing? Coach. I had a business coach. My life coach is God.

Erica: I like it. So when you made the decision and you had this call and you're like, okay. I can do this. I've got confidence. People want it.

Erica: I've I'm feeling the power here. Did you leave corporate right away, or was it more of a gradual stepping away? What does that look like?

Julie: This is such a funny story. I actually started my business, but I didn't register it or call it a business three years prior to going solo. So but what I'm talking about is my experience from going solo onward.

Erica: Yeah.

Julie: And it was when I got that first client that I was like, we've we've we've got something here.

Erica: I like it. Mhmm. Very cool. And then talk to me about, like, the feelings that you had from once you'd, like, got out of corporate. Was it freeing?

Erica: Was it anxiety? Was it all of the above?

Julie: All of the above. First of all, it was what have I done? So the way that I ended up getting out of corporate was that my position was made with Venditt with the last company that I was with. And like I said, I'd started my business technically three years prior.

Erica: Yep.

Julie: So I was like, okay. So maybe I could try to make this thing a go. And that was, like, right at the start of COVID. That was, like, during our very first lockdown where the entire world was on lockdown. And I was like, how am I gonna make this work?

Julie: How am I gonna make this work? Now there's COVID. How? What are you thinking? Why don't you just go start looking for another job?

Julie: But it's COVID. The best time to actually try this would be during a pandemic versus trying to get a job during a pandemic. Mhmm. And so I decided, okay. Let's do this.

Julie: I made the decision very early because I tackled entrepreneurship before. And one of the things I had learned in my past iterations of entrepreneurship was don't focus on one thing. Do several things. But make sure that the things that you're doing are still in your niche. So I always say to people, I'm 100% focused on HR, and I slay in my lane, which is HR.

Julie: So I coach HR professionals. Yes. But it's not my one thing. I decided I need to find a way to get passive income, so I wrote a book. Mhmm.

Julie: And put I did it through Amazon. I did self publishing, and that became part of my passive income journey. I started my podcast in 2019. And when I started it, it was just like, okay. I just wanna do 10 episodes and see how that works out.

Julie: And 10 episodes turn into 30. 30 episodes turn into 50, and we're now at a 100 plus episodes. Wow. And periodically, I get sponsors, people who come through and go, I actually would like to sponsor your podcast. And I go, great.

Julie: Here are my fees. And they go, sure. And so that became another week. But I talk about all things HR. And so and then I do public speaking.

Julie: Then I there are certain topics that I love to teach. So I love l and d.

Erica: Mhmm.

Julie: And there are certain topics that I love to teach on to facilitate anything about leadership, anything about agility, business agility, and anything about mental health awareness in your organization. I'll talk about those topics all day long. So I started to slowly but surely found the things that I liked, and I started to focus on marketing those things and nothing else. And slowly but surely, I started to build this menu of things that I love to do. I curated my business around that.

Erica: I love that. I was talking with somebody earlier today, actually, and they had talked about always adding in moments of introspection to really look at the things that bring you joy. Right? And then inviting more of that into your life.

Julie: Yes. Yes.

Erica: And it sounds like you did just that, that you were finding the topics that were speaking in your heart, and you were like, okay. Great. I'm gonna focus on this. I'm gonna invite more of this into my life. And Yes.

Erica: It's almost like it snowballed for you once you really started because, I mean, a book, a podcast, public speaking, like, none of those are little things, but they

Julie: hold part with a small step. Yes. Yes. Being intentional is important. Yeah.

Julie: And like I said, finding your sweet spot. And it took, like I said, several iterations of me exploring what worked, what didn't work. And even with my coaching because when I first started coaching, I started out with hourly packages. Like, I just you book an hour, you come, and I'll coach you. And then I realized that's not really giving value to the client, and it's not giving me the opportunity to really give them what they need and what they deserve.

Julie: And that's when I started to bulk out my packages. Mhmm. So I could do three months or I do six months, but I don't do hourly. I and I don't do annual unless I'm working with an organization and supporting their entire HR team for a year. That's the minimum level.

Julie: Like, I'll work with you for a year, and you can renew your contract every year. And so I had to start finding ways that works and not ways so way ways that work for me that will work for my client, but ways that were practical for me because I am pretty much a one man show. Right? Yeah. And so you gotta find a way to make it work for you so that you can do the things that bring you joy.

Julie: And I made a decision in my mind that I wasn't gonna do stuff that made me unhappy anymore, and corporate made me unhappy. Yeah. And it's not that I don't love core HR as a function. I just know that I there's more of me to give to the world than to one organization. And the where I really find the joy is in helping the people who support the people create great products and services for their organizations.

Julie: So I like that it's a ripple effect

Erica: Yeah.

Julie: Versus it's just me impacting organization here or there. I am doing that, but I'm doing it through the p the their HR departments who will then go on to other greater things and create bigger impacts in the world. But that's that for me also gives me an opportunity to learn HR from a global perspective. Yeah. Because my clients are all over the world.

Julie: I have clients in The US, The UK, Europe, Asia, Africa, Caribbean. So I'm learning I'm learning HR through their eyes, which, again, equips me even more to support HR professionals because I'm learning with them, and I'm helping them to grow as well. So it's just very purposeful for me. And it would not have happened that way if I didn't decide to be intentional about how I wanted to move forward. Yeah.

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Erica: You made you made the decision to kind of jump in. And after you had that one client, it was like, great. How do I pay you? So once you kinda got the ball rolling and you started to see the fruits of your labor, did you hit any other point between the one client signing and now where you've got podcast and book and public speaking where you got stuck, like, in another sticky floor kind of thinking, oh my gosh. What have I done?

Erica: Like, this is ridiculous. Any other kind of sticky floor moment that got you stuck?

Julie: I have so many sticky floors. It's not even funny, but the biggest sticky floor after the first one I gave you would be keeping my creating community and keeping community engaged. So I made a conscious choice to build my business organically on my own. So everywhere that you look across my social media, I have grown that without paying someone to help me grow my community. It's all organic reach.

Julie: And that the biggest place that I that I push my content is, like I said, on LinkedIn. Mhmm. But I also have a YouTube channel attached to my podcast, and I also have a TikTok account and a Instagram account, all attached to my business. And my biggest sticky floor comes with creating content. It's one of the hardest things you could ever think to do because my content is specific to HR professionals.

Julie: My content is about the hard stuff that happens in HR, and it's also about educating HR professionals on how to improve their careers and quality of life. And that's not content that's easily found. Like, one of the biggest challenges I had at the start of this business was finding the proof, the data to support the status of HR and their our mental health and well-being. And when I first when you first go to Google mental health and HR between late twenty eighteen, 2019, there was nothing. Yeah.

Julie: Every time you look on the Internet, you see how HR can support the business, how HR can support employees, what HR can do to improve this, what HR can do to improve that. But there was nothing about what was happening to HR, mental health in HR. If you Google mental health in HR now, there's a plethora of information about it now, but at the start, there wasn't. And so it almost seemed like when I started to talk about this started to have these conversations about mental health, what I had to do was interview people.

Erica: Mhmm.

Julie: And so I ended up having thousands and thousands of calls with HR professionals about our careers, about their experiences, and using that to create my content because I had the evidence through the people. And then doing that started to give me more impetus to create more content and to find lighter ways to create the content.

Erica: Yeah.

Julie: It's not easy to create a TikTok video about heavy stuff that's happening in HR. But and I don't always have the desire to create content, especially if I'm creating con I create content every day on LinkedIn. Every day. If I didn't have a schedule for how I was gonna put that content out there, I'd be lost. But even with a schedule, I'm exhausted.

Julie: I get days when I'm just like, I don't wanna do this today.

Erica: Yeah.

Julie: And what makes it so what makes it so amazing is even on the days when I don't feel like creating content and I just put something out there, those are the days when my content thrives. It's the opposite effect. Yes. And on the days where I, like, feel like I put my foot in it and I feel so proud of it

Erica: -huh. That's right.

Julie: The days that content gets very little reach.

Erica: Isn't that funny? Learn. Yeah.

Julie: Yeah. So the other sticky floor would be, like, don't like, not taking myself so seriously when it comes to creating the content. But I feel like that's that's a huge one for me because I think a lot of times when people see my content, they go, oh, how do you do that? Like, it's so you it's between video. It's writing.

Julie: It's post articles or whatever. And people go, how do you have find the energy to do that? And it's like, well, on the days that I've got the energy to do it, I do a ton of it. Mhmm. So I'll create I'll write loads of blogs.

Julie: I'll do loads of videos. I'll create lots of pieces of content, and I'll stick them in my content folder. And on the days that I don't feel like doing stuff, I just push out something from the reservoir. Yeah. If I don't do that, there would be no content every single day.

Julie: Yeah. But that's a huge sticky floor because I think yeah.

Erica: Social media is definitely a big sticky floor because it's a it's an important way to advertise your business and your services and what you're doing. Not only does it take a lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of creativity, but then you don't just do the videos one and done. No. You do it. You look at it.

Erica: You're like, oh, that's terrible. There's a lot of criticism. There's self criticism that goes into

Julie: it. And that is

Erica: in itself very exhausting. Yeah. I mean, I'll say too. I definitely one of the thing that holds me back is just the complex and everything that goes into it when it comes to some of these social media things. Mhmm.

Erica: It's so easy to look at it and think that it just comes naturally to everybody who's out there doing it.

Julie: Yeah. But it doesn't. It's hard.

Erica: Not looking behind the curtain to, like, see the 20 drafts that it took for them to get this one, quote, unquote, perfect TikTok or whatever it is. But that is definitely a very intimidating sticky floor, I would say.

Julie: Mhmm. Mhmm.

Erica: So, yeah, the tips and the tricks, the batch creating, like you said, is really big. Mhmm. I know for me, some of it is just not watching it too many times. Just do it. Don't be afraid about it.

Erica: Do it and just post it. Yes.

Julie: Unless it's the lip syncing stuff.

Erica: Oh, gosh.

Julie: Because I found that, like, you have to be really careful with the lip syncing stuff because if your lips don't match the words, that's a problem. So and sometimes what I realize is there's, like, a delay. So you have to start a little later, but, like, just, like, a couple seconds later before the words actually kick in to get it all together. And sometimes doing that can be so frustrating. Yeah.

Julie: So frustrating. So when people see that you put content out there and they show you that they appreciate it, that makes a huge difference Yeah. To know that what you're doing is worth it. But if you're creating it and you're not getting any love, that sucks.

Erica: Yeah. I mean, it is. It's a labor of love. You said the scheduling, and I don't know all of the science there is to know behind social media and people out there who specialize in I

Julie: don't even I don't focus on algorithms. I do not focus on when to post. So, like, I don't post at any given point in day. Once the once I've finished it, I just post it. Yeah.

Julie: I'm like, I don't focus on algorithms. That's not what I'm about. The reason why I create my content is that whoever finds it and it makes an impact on them, that they will join the conversation about whatever we're talking about. So for me, it doesn't matter if there's a specific time of day that I should have posted it, and it doesn't matter to me whether or not I've followed the rules of the algorithm. I for me, I just throw all of those things out of the window.

Julie: I hear what a lot of expert content creators say, But I think the one piece of advice that has really stood the test of time for me came from Gary Vaynerchuk.

Erica: Mhmm.

Julie: And Gary said you focus on creating community. I take the time to engage every single person who touches my content. Even if all they've said is thank you, I take the time to respond to those people. And that's what matters the most to me. That the content that I created touched someone, and they and they engaged in the conversation.

Julie: And that's how I've created my community. My community is not based on me just putting stuff out there for the sake of it, but I wanna have really important conversations and either find a light way to do it or it's heavy, but we have the conversation together.

Erica: Yeah.

Julie: But I focus on the people. Nothing else. Not the platform, not the algorithm, nothing else. I just focus on the people who take the time to see it and say something.

Erica: Well, and what I love about that too, and I've heard this and I believe this, is the people who are supposed find you. Like, your tribe will come to you. You will attract the people who need you in their life and who you need it in yours. Mhmm. Mhmm.

Julie: And

Erica: just like I found you and stumbled up I mean, that's how it happened. Here we are

Julie: having this conversation. Exactly.

Erica: Exactly. I needed some jewelry in my life, and it popped up somehow. I don't even know it, but it happened. So Exactly. You're doing is obviously working.

Julie: Thank you. Works for me. No science. No science at all.

Erica: You like

Julie: what I do.

Erica: Algorithm. So one of the questions that I always love to ask everybody is what would you tell the Julie who was sitting in corporate still, one foot in her coaching and consulting business, one foot in corporate, not a 100% sure what she should do or how she should do it. What would you tell that Julie today now that

Julie: I would tell that Julie, listen to the voice that was telling you it was time to go. There was something months before anything else was happening. I was waking up every morning for months hearing a voice in my head that was saying to me, you shouldn't be here. This is not where you need to be. You need to move on.

Julie: And I did not listen to that voice. For months, I didn't listen to that voice. It was just nagging me, nagging me, nagging me. And I was like, go away. But it got louder and louder for some reason.

Julie: It just got louder. And I would give me then the advice that I to listen to have listened to that voice and made the sacrifice and just let go of the corporate piece and focus on what I'm doing now. Nothing my grandmother always used to say, like, nothing happens before it's time. Yeah. I truly believe that.

Julie: But at the same time, I think that when that inner voice is speaking to you, it's coming from a higher power. It's coming from somewhere that sees something you don't. Yeah. And I know the times that I've not trusted my gut, especially my HR career has suffered for it.

Erica: Yeah.

Julie: So I would say when that inner voice kicks in, listen to it and act on it. As long as you hear it more than twice, it's time to do something about it. Don't let months pass and you just ignore that inner voice. When you hear it, do something about it.

Erica: Yeah. And then keep doing the things that bring you joy.

Julie: Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

Erica: I love that, which my boss has a favorite saying. He says, you can't unring the bell. When I believe that when you start to find the things that light you up, the things that bring you joy Mhmm. You can't ignore it. You can't unring the bell.

Erica: The bell has been rung, and you have been called, and you need to listen to that voice.

Julie: Yep. Oh, yes. Absolutely. I believe that with all my heart.

Erica: Well, good. Well, you're doing amazing things. I think you are wonderful for the HR community. It is needed now more than ever. But thank you so much for your time today, Julie.

Erica: I love your story. I love your passion. I love what you're doing, and I just think it's awesome.

Julie: My pleasure, Erica. Thank you.

Erica: Thank you.